Talk:Secret

Secrets by class rather than by rarity?

Shouldn't the secrets be listed by class? Many people will be coming here as a reference when playing against a secrets class. It seems that class is a much more important deliniation than rarity.70.171.2.187 16:12, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Repentance is missing

The paladin-secret "Repentance" is missing from this page. I don't know how to edit the table, so i can't add it myself.

Are there not priest secrets?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.28.58 (talk • contribs) 19:57, 23 June 2014‎

As stated on the page, secrets are limited mages, paladins and hunters. Priests can use cards like Thoughtsteal to nick others' though. -- Taohinton (talk) 13:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Paladin Secret "Avenge" is missing from the table

As stated, this particular secret seems to be missing from the table. I feel it would be very useful to keep any and all secrets listed on this page, for people like myself who use it as a quick reference sheet to try to guess what to expect of our secret-using opponent.

See Help:Missing_cards. -- Karol007 (talk) 22:24, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Triggering time

Explaining it as "only on opponent's turn, with one exception" IS probably the best way to avoid any mixups. But I just wanted to mention out that the previous description, "event your opponent causes to occur", is technically correct even for the new Secret - after all, your turn only starts when they click the End Turn button :) - jerodast (talk) 04:09, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Sure, technically, although I'm not sure all players would see it that way, especially if the only thing the opponent did to trigger it was to let the fuse burn down :P Regardless, the "on the opponent's turn" info should have been in the lead section anyway. -- Taohinton (talk) 23:45, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

There is actually a reason beyond technicality that I liked to emphasize the "actions caused by the opponent" aspect of it, which is that it speaks to design intent. The entire reason the "opponent's turn" rule exists is because they wanted the Secrets to respond to opponent actions and not be triggered by the owner. The new Secret still follows this rule even though it doesn't follow the opponent's turn rule. For example the opponent can play around the Secret by killing off your minions before ending their turn to trigger it. This is a great perspective for understanding how Secrets work and why they were designed that way. A holistic approach instead of lists of rules and exceptions.

That said, I still agree being as specific as possible is probably for the best. - jerodast (talk) 02:36, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

I get your point, but it simply doesn't feel that way to me at all. Every other Secret that exists requires the opponent to take an action. That, I would say, is the design intent. Competitive Spirit on the other hand requires no action of any kind. Your opponent could do nothing, and it would still trigger. In fact they could do almost anything without successfully triggering it (as I expect many will as they test for it in future games!). So to me, it feels like the very opposite of a "your opponent has to trigger this, you can't make it happen yourself" design. -- Taohinton (talk) 05:17, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

We just have different perspectives on this then. To me it is very much in the vein of the previous secrets where the opponent is the last person that gets a chance to act before the secret goes off. This is where all the interesting Secret counter-play comes from - the opponent gets to try to figure out what it is and play accordingly. You don't get to just play a secret and set it off immediately. It's obviously true that mechanically it works slightly differently, but strategically it is in line with the philosophy of secrets ever since the end-of-beta change. My previous draft was not phrased all that well, but that was the idea I was trying to communicate. - jerodast (talk) 01:26, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, we definitely still don't agree; imo setting a bomb with a burning fuse is very different from setting a trap to be triggered by your opponent's step in a particular spot, which is what all other Secrets are. But, it's fine to disagree :) -- Taohinton (talk) 03:36, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

A database query error has occurred. Did you forget to run your application's database schema updater after upgrading?

138.75.236.188 16:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Where did you see this? Thanks! --Alianin 01:06, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

The op is referring to: Secret/Wild_format. Aegonostic (talk) 01:12, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! We'll get it fixed. --Alianin 01:29, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Splitting Image and Effigy missing

Arena secrets are wrong.Can you please fix it?

For example this one is missing - Splitting image,Effigy Pachaichlive (talk) 07:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

The datapages for Splitting Image and Effigy were incorrect, I have fixed them on their pages. This page should work again to show these two Secrets. Thanks for pointing this error out! Aegonostic (talk) 08:41, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Pachaichlive (talk) 14:37, 21 December 2019 (UTC) Thx and I find out that Venomstrike trap also doesnt show up in the Hunters list( I checked all other Arena sets and this is the last one).

Ok, should be fixed. Aegonostic (talk) 21:23, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Arena rotation

Plz update arena secrets list

• You can do it yourself, you know. The instructions on how to do it are right there if you edit the page. I did update it, but you don't have to be so demanding and rude. TheMurlocAggroB (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Open the Cages

With the addition of Open the Cages there are now two secrets that activate at the start of the controlling player's turn, and the paragraph in the header mentioning Competitive Start should be edited to reflect this. (I'm unable to edit anything in the header due to being a new user.) Waterundertheb294 (talk) 17:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)Waterundertheb294

Arena rotation

Can someone upd arena secrets list

Arena rotation

Plz update it. TY

Arena secrets update pls

ty

Collapsible tables don't work

Hey, the collapsible tables are not working for me, is anyone else having this issue? Blue Banana whotookthisname (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Updated tables and current arena secrets

Tables now work normally again, and the secrets for the current arena rotation have been updated. VGhost01 (talk) 17:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)